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Nice bunch of Deere's get ruined

Post by jdemaris » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:41 am

I saw something yesterday that still has me feeling sick.

A little history. The last Deere dealership I worked at was next door to a car-crusher/scrap-metal yard. We used to fix much of his heavy equipment and I was pretty friendly with the owner, starting around 1979 onto the early 90s. If I wasn't on the road somewhere, I'd often spend my lunch hour at that scrapyard. The stuff that gets scrapped is amazing. The owner would let me take stuff home, and I'd give him some case or scrap in exchange. Our dealership closed in 1991, the scrapyard is a 50 mile round-trip from my home, and - it's become a big business. More of a scrap-yard "empire" now. Almost feel like you need to wear a suit to visit there.

Yesterday, I had to go to the "big city" where the yard is. It was 5 below zero and snowing a bit, and I figured the place wouldn't be crowded - so I stopped in. To my surprise, a "young" guy I knew well who was a torch-man in the back yard, was still working there - and still - a torch man. Not so young anymore (30 years later). His job is to torch apart big equipment that cannot be crushed. Guess what he was working on when I walked in? Three Deere 440 crawlers. All with dozers, reversers, and some with newly pin-and-bushed tracks, new sprockets, etc .
Along side the 440s was a Deere 450B turbo dozer with 6 way blade. The guy told me it was driven in. New tracks, sprockets, front idlers and hydraulic adjuster assemblies. All is sitting there waiting to be cut up. And, to add insult-to-injury. There is also an IH backhoe sitting there. There is on part I've been searching the country for - to fix my IH hoe. And, there it is. Two bolts, and I could pluck it off, and it looks like new. IH uses a top yoke with internal splines on most of their old hoes on the swing-motor. Tends to wear and I can't find one anywhere - new or used.
So what happened? I had to track down the owner of the place - the guy I used to be friendly with. He's sort of retired and seems to do what he wants. I got hold of him 6 a.m. this morning and asked if there is any way I can pay him to salvage any parts - from the IH or any of the Deere crawlers. I got a strong "no." He says the state of NY can fine him $25,000 if lets anyone take any parts once he's bought anything by weight as scrap-metal. So, I'm sick over it. Maybe it's a mental illness - but to stand there and see someone take a torch to stuff like this seems to be a sin. What a waste.

I had no tools and I had no camera. So, I reached over an pulled on ID tag off one crawler - that's it.

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Post by Lavoy » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:41 am

That is truly a crime. There was a pic on YT a while back of two TD14 IH crawler sitting in a scrap yard waiting to be cut up. One had a fresh paint job, both had Bucyrus-Erie blades on them.
That seems odd that he won't let you take anything off. Any chance you could slip some cash to the guy on the torch?
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Post by Tigerhaze » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:57 am

That makes me sick, not just from the specific examples you showed us but the general "throwaway" mentality we have in this country anymore. Rather than fix things, we would rather scrap them and then have the good American-made machines come back to us later as Chinese-made junk. There should be a law that forbids them to scrap parts off of machine that are obselete for the manufacturer!
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Post by jdemaris » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:59 pm

Lavoy wrote:That is truly a crime. There was a pic on YT a while back of two TD14 IH crawler sitting in a scrap yard waiting to be cut up. One had a fresh paint job, both had Bucyrus-Erie blades on them.
That seems odd that he won't let you take anything off. Any chance you could slip some cash to the guy on the torch?
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Not this guy; that's why he's been there 30 years. Very loyal worker. The boss/owner used to let me take just about anything for the price of scrap - but no more. I suspect he's making so much money on scrap, there's no incentive for him to bother with this stuff, or take any kind of chance. The Deere crawlers getting cut up are bad enough. But, that little splined yoke on that IH backhoe is driving me nuts. I could have it off in ten minutes and I've been searching all over the country for one.

I'm kind of wondering what the story is with the Deere 450B sittting there. It has brand new front idlers, sprockets, and track-adjusters. For all I know, the rollers might be new also. Yet, it got scrapped. Scrap WAS at a historical high this summer, somewhere around $300 a ton. So, a 450B might of brought $1500 - $1800 just for scrap-value. Maybe it was somebody's project that they gave up on?

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Post by Tigerhaze » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:39 pm

jdemaris wrote:I'm kind of wondering what the story is with the Deere 450B sittting there. It has brand new front idlers, sprockets, and track-adjusters. For all I know, the rollers might be new also. Yet, it got scrapped. Scrap WAS at a historical high this summer, somewhere around $300 a ton. So, a 450B might of brought $1500 - $1800 just for scrap-value. Maybe it was somebody's project that they gave up on?
Maybe it was stolen? I would suspect the scrap guy is on the up and up but maybe the seller switched tags on it? Seems fishy the seller wouldn't have tried to part out the engine and transmission at least.

I guess a more realistic explanation is death in the family or something like that where expediance of disposal was more important that value.
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Post by Ray III » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:17 pm

This state is turning into another communist California, that is a problem for anyone trying to run an honest business. The state will jump your ass for farting in the wrong direction. Can't even collect waste oil for clean disposal in a furnace for heat without fear of a government agent jumping out of the bushes at a highway tollbooth (yes, that DID happen to my dad).

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Post by old-larry » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:57 pm

Ray III wrote:This state is turning into another communist California, that is a problem for anyone trying to run an honest business. The state will jump your ass for farting in the wrong direction. Can't even collect waste oil for clean disposal in a furnace for heat without fear of a government agent jumping out of the bushes at a highway tollbooth (yes, that DID happen to my dad).
Those crawlers going to scrap is totally appalling. I learned years ago that government people will take all the authority that we let them have. I can make any off them leave and in a big hurry.

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Post by Eric.MacLeod » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:09 pm

tigerhaze, my friend scrapped his 440 that was all running for 800$ it was a crawler loader, he sold a 440 dozer earlier when the prices were low and said he got alot less, both of these ran,i wish he would have sold them to me but he diddnt, i seen alot of equipment this summer in the scrap yards, around here you can still buy stuff from the scrap yard,it cost them plenty to torch and cut up so some are still willing to let you take it off there hands, Eric

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Post by Tigerhaze » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:22 am

I was a little "tongue and cheek" on my last post- the last thing I would want is for the govt. to restrict even further what people do with things they own.

I just wish as a nation that we were a little less of a "throwaway" society. I tend to buy at auctions because the older stuff tends to be made better than the new stuff. The most frustrating thing is lack of available parts to fix things.
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Post by JD440ICD2006 » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:33 am

The price of scrap is at an all time low, short of a few very precious metals. (gold for one)
Maybe this guy will now be interested in cash since the price he now gets has dropped.
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Post by Ray III » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:30 pm

old-larry wrote:Those crawlers going to scrap is totally appalling. I learned years ago that government people will take all the authority that we let them have. I can make any off them leave and in a big hurry.
If you're just a run of the mill landowner you have some freedom left. But if you have a business of any kind, especially in this state, you're outta luck. If the state THINKS you owe them money... they go right ahead and dip into your business checking account without you even knowing about it. Then there are the permits you have to have to legally run a business and collect sales and use taxes and they can take those away as well if they don't like what you're doing.

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Post by digitup2 » Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:26 pm

I was wondering what scrap was worth down there as up here in Ontario you can't give it away.They should sell the old Deeres cheap if you ask or even if you could trade for other scrap .That is what I do if I find a treasure in the scrap pile .I usually have a tone or so behind the shop I can just load it on a dump truck and take it in .I have two scrap yards in town and keep them both on my good side just in case .One scraper I made a donation to a charity of his choice and the other just wants equal weight back .One day I got a 30 hp Kabota 4x4 tractor in rough condition but you wouldn't know it now .Several of the operators fixed it up three years ago now in there spare time winter project . We now use it to roll lawns [We found the roller in the scrap also]You would wonder where people leave there brains when they select there scrap.Digitup.

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