2010 CRAWLER

[BDUNLAP]

Looking at a 2010 crawler, has a manual blade on it, left right and tilt.
Unit looks very good and well maintained for it's age.

Is the 2010 a good durable dozer to work on a small farm with small tasks?

Question can't find very much info if any at all, the unit I believe is a 1965, it is a diesel. and it has a 20 series winch on it. The machine seem to be a strong machine for it's era but getting parts for it does concern me. starts good and runs strong. winch need some work.

Could some on tell me more about the 2010 in detail, I really need to know if it's a bastard machine?

I am a mechanic, so working on it is not a problem seems to be pretty basic is this a fair assumption?

Can you even get parts? I understand that there might be only about 6000 made by deere?

Any and all help would be appreciated. The seller would like to get $7200.00 sounds reasonable to me but if parts are not avaliable well thats a huge problem. Also I try and follow the rule " If you can't sell it tomorrow for what you paid for it today don't buy it" simple.

Thanks Brian

[2010OWNER]

Well hi Brian,

I think the 2010 is a fine crawler. Some think the engine is a weak point, but I've had no trouble with mine after a rebuild in 1980.

If the one you are looking at is a '65 (serial #/date of manufacture are posted elsewhere on this forum--a '65 would have a serial number above 55,000 if I remember correctly.) Chains off a 350 JD will fit. Drive sprockets are no longer made last I heard. (posted here somewhere) They were $830 apiece before JD quit selling them.

The Series 20 winch is good for a boat anchor, in my opinion. JD no longer supplies a replacement for the clutch pressure plate assembly. It tends to rust out and become unusable if the winch sets unused for long periods of time. The winch you need is a 3325. It runs in oil and can set for years and still work just fine. A 3315 was used on late 1010 crawlers. My understanding is that the winch is the same as a 3325, but the mounting is different, though they can be made to fit a 2010. The ring and pinion gears out of a Series 20 will fit the 3325.

Around here 2010 bulldozers generally go for about $5000. At least that's what my neighbor paid last year for his '64 2010 with a manual tilt and angle and a Series 20 winch that doesn't work. If you plan on using it a lot, I'd go for a 450. Parts are all around and they are getting cheap. I've seen a lot of 450's they were asking $8000 to $10,000 for. I just saw an ad on Craig's list for a 550 JD for $6500. Hydraulic tilt and angle and no winch. But that is around here, prices may be higher in Ohio.

Brian

[BDUNLAP]

Thanks for the info. yea I keep leaning to the 450b, I understand that is a great machine and will more than last the years I need it. I leary of the 55o's I have heard if the trans hasn't been replaced it will more than likely need replacing. That 20 series winch I noticed that it has what appears to be a fill cap on the left side looks like a 55 steel barrell cap I just took it for a wet sump. so they are junk nice.

[Tigerhaze]

Hi Brian-

I have a 2010 crawler loader, so I think I can weigh in a little bit on this subject. If in good shape, I have found the 2010 to be a good little workhorse for me. They were a bridge between the two-cylinder JD crawlers and the New Generation crawlers, so from that perspective they were a "bastard" machine.


The main drawbacks are generally related to reduced availability or even inability to get certain parts. There were not many 2010 crawlers made relative to 450s, so there are fewer parts crawlers around.

Many parts are still available for the 2010s, but it really depends on what you are looking for. For instance, engine parts are available but are only available piecemeal from Deere and are pricey. The 2010s used engines with a one-piece deck plate for the sleeves- it can only be purchased new from Deere. it is costly to completely rebuild a 2010 engine The H-L-R transmission are also known for costly repairs.

Still other parts are obselete- the best-known issue is discontinuance of sprockets and front idlers. While you are in better shape with a late 2010 (those sprockets allow use of 350 chains), you will still have problems if your sprockets ever develop a problem. Some parts inavailability are less known- for instance I broke the filter cap for my hydraulic reservoir on my 2010 crawler loader- it is obsolete so had to hunt down one off a parts crawler in Ohio. You would have a dozer but the same issue could exist for some of the other parts.

Because of the transition design, some parts are harder to replace than in the 450 series. For instance, to change out the steering clutches the undercarriage and final driver must be removed- my understanding on the 450s is that they can be changed out without finals removal.

There are some benefits to the 2010. The weight of the the 2010 crawlers are slightly less than for the 450 series. They seem to be a very durable and useful crawler to me relative to a smaller crawler- I have been able to move large concrete slabs that a 4020 wheel tractor could not and push over medium size hardwood trees. They are also neat as a collectors item because there were not many made and the year 2010 is coming up so that will be neat at shows.

Overall, they can be a good machine that can get work done if in good shape. I would take a hard look at the engine, H-L-R transmission, and especially the undercarriage. If any of those have significant issues, you are talking big bucks to fix if parts can be bought at all. Since the 2010s are naturally aspirated, they are somewhat slow relative to a turbo in the latter 450 series machines. If you are looking for a daily machine, the 2010 is probably not it. If you want an ocassional use machine, they can be great if in good shape. I personally think $7500 is too much for a 2010 especially if it doesn't include attachments, but a lot of the price depends on the condition of those things I pointed out. if you look further, make sure to try out for a while and get it working hard to see if the H-L-R slips on you. having someone familiar with these to inspect is a great idea.

let us know if you have more questions.

[Stretch]

I have two 2010s'. Both are 1964, both are diesel, one is a dozer and the other a loader.
I am still in the process of rebuilding the loader. The dozer I went through top to bottom and front to back a couple of years ago. I was able to find new sprockets, I got the rest of all the under carriage from JD. I was also able to get new front idlers from JD. This machine has been working fine around the farm since. I converted the dozer to 12V negative ground and did a few other small changes.
The loader is about 1/3 way done in the rebuild. I have completely rebuilt the engine and have about $1400.00 in the engine.
I have had good luck finding parts for both machines on the internet. I think searching around and talking to different people has been some of the fun in rebuilding these machines.
If the loader turns out half as good as the dozer I will be very happy.
Hope this helps.
Stretch

[uppercanada]

Ever seen a 4 in 1 bucket blade for the 2010? Check it out:

http://www.tpaktopc.net/images/johndeer ... BUCKET.JPG

http://www.tpaktopc.net/images/johndeer ... BUCKET.JPG

These folks have it for sale - as well as 2010 used parts I imagine:

http://www.tpaktopc.net/john_deere.htm

[Tigerhaze]

I was able to find new sprockets, I got the rest of all the under carriage from JD. I was also able to get new front idlers from JD.

Hi Stretch- I was a little suprised by your answer. I had contacted my JD industrial dealer (Murphy Tractor in KC) , and gave them the specific part numbers for the sprockets and front idlers and was told they were obselete by Deere. Lavoy and others had confirmed that for me as well.

I was able to get NOS front idlers and early serial number sprockets from Lavoy, but they were ones he had in storage for a while. I was not able to get new or NOS late serial number 2010 sprockets. I do know that the other undercarriage parts (rollers, top idlers, pads, and late rails with pins/bushings) are still available for the 2010. If you have a source for the late 2010 sprockets (either new or NOS), I would sure love to hear about it.

As for the Drott 4in1 bucket at General Gear and Machine in Boise (the ones in the links), I have e-mailed them previously and they told me the one in those pics had been sold. I would sure love to have one of those buckets- the ones I have seen in person are for larger machines and usually have a "fishmouth".

[Stretch]

The front idlers are part number AT 12417 thru Deere. They were $194.67 each. I got the sprockets from a person that had bought a lot of dealer close out parts. He only had two. I made a pattern out of one of the new sprockets and plan on trying to build up and machine the old sprockets. If everything goes right I think I'm going to be able to have a pretty decent set of sprockets for the loader. We will see.
Stretch

[IslandCrawler]

Hello,

Although I haven't posted on this forum much, It has been a little over a year now since I have purchased my 2010 crawler loader from Wenger's of Myerstown (awesome facilities and really nice people) and this is the perfect occaision to comment on the abilities of the 2010.

I am only the second owner of this particular machine. It had 7,850hrs. upon purchase (but looked like it had only 1,200hrs.) It was well taken care of before so I must respect it by doing the same. I have to say that its one of the best equipment purchases I have made (next to buying an M35A2 Deuce & a half )

The 2010 was purchased for the specific purpose of digging out basements of historic homes & barns due to the lack of a ROPS. We'll it has served this and many other functions with ease.

I don't baby it or take it just to shows. It works for a living! Slow & steady is the order of the day with this little beast. I set it to about half throttle and I can scrape hard packed clay all day to make a new driveway, scoop out 200cu.yds. from under a house that I've jacked up and set on a new foundation, load a full size dump truck (need to make a ramp to load an 18wheel dump trailer ) scoop out large tree stumps, lift heavy objects, pulling (fill in the blank) out of a big mess, etc. etc. etc.....the uses are endless.

I did purchase it already knowing the scope of the parts issue. My undercarraige is worn so much that one of the track links has a crack right through it. Other than that there is no damage. I wasn't too scared as the undercarraige can still be built up the old fashion way. The 47hp works just fine for me.

I have switched it to neg. ground. I just purchased almost all the necessary parts to rebuild the final drives this winter. The entire undercarriage will be rebuilt as well. My Miller CP300 is going to be getting a work out. It should last another 46yrs.

I'm still searching for a source for new glowplugs

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So it all depends on which machine is easier to obtain and the costs involved. I wouldn't be afraid to use it everyday.

Thanks for letting me share my opinion.

[Tigerhaze]

Hey Islandcrawler-

Lavoy has new glowplugs for the 2010 crawlers, both small and large diameter glow plugs depending on your engine's serial number. He gets the British Wellmans (not the Chinese May Co.) and is competetive on prices. Send him a PM.

[IslandCrawler]

Wow thanks Tigerhaze!