1953 40c -

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1953 40c -

Post by Cylias » Wed May 13, 2009 10:34 pm

Ok, so I have been looking at a 40c for quite awhile near me. I dont know the exact year, but it supposedly it is a 1953.

The attractiveness about it is it has a loader and a backhoe attachment. So it could be used for alot of things around my property and put into commission on a small landscaping/gardening/excavating business. I can think of many things it would be useful for.

- Digging trenches for irrigation
- Digging ponds
- Digging small foundations
- Clearing brush like the infamous scotch broom and whatever else.

Not only could I do the digging I could also load the dirt onto a truck.

Anyways I went had my first look at it today. I took some pictures so maybe you guys may be able to see anything wrong. I didnt take too many, both tracks were the same.

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I am quite impressed with the general condition. It has its war scars, but for a 56 year old machine I wouldnt expect it to be brand new if it was used. Nor would it be as cheap as it is.

However here are the bads:

Needs a new battery (6v) - where do I get one and what would it cost?

and

Hydraulic Pump for the frontloader is not working - May need re-builidng or a new one - any ideas on the cost?

Im not sure how much this weighs, but as far as a trailer goes to tow it home (might have to rent one) what kinda of capacity would it need? It is about a 10 minute drive from my property. Could rent a trailer or get a towing company with a big flatbed to move it for less then $100.

I figure I may as well ask your opinion on the price as well. Its $1500.

Thanks
Kevin

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Post by shinnery » Thu May 14, 2009 2:01 am

In the top picture, at the bottom of the sprocket the link that is about to go on the sprocket, looks like the bushing is nearly completely missing. Beleive you may be in for some track work. Also don't think four bolt pads came on 40Cs so these are probably replacement rails.
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Post by Robbie » Thu May 14, 2009 4:46 am

looks like someone re-drilled the track pads.i wish i had your chains.it is a nice start,i like the fact it has the loader and backhoe attachments.provided it moves i payed double for mine

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Post by Lavoy » Thu May 14, 2009 9:04 am

It is a 54 or 55, 3 roller only in 53. It has 420 sprockets, so guessing it has 1010 rails, hence the 4 bolt pads. Sprockets look pretty tough, but maybe it is an illusion. I am 100% opposed to loaders on 4 roller trackframes, but it does have rockguards, and if you leave the backhoe on, it should balance out okay. Most likely a Hydreco pump, normally they don't go bad, usually the splines wear out. New one is ungodly expensive, but there are used ones around.
That being said, for that money, and with a hoe, it would already be on the trailer in the yard. As far as weight, better assume 8-9,000 lbs to be safe.
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Post by Cylias » Thu May 14, 2009 11:15 pm

Thanks for the info.

How ungodly expensive is a hydraulic pump? And can you get them re-built by john deere or an equipment mechanic?

Were these crawlers quite common because I wonder where he got the 420 sprockets and 1010 rails?

How complicated is trackwork if it needs it and how important is it it that the bushing is replaced?

Im not too mechanically enclined but my dad is a mechanic and im guessing we could figure it out if given the time! haha.

Thanks
Kevin

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Post by Lu47Dan » Fri May 15, 2009 8:20 am

Kevin , for that kind of money , buy it and get it home .
Check with the owner and see if they have the manuals for it , that will save you some money also .
The bushing might be good , and it is an optical illusion of the photo . I transferred a copy to my photo editing program and looked at it but I can't tell from that . Need a better picture of it .
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Post by Cylias » Fri May 15, 2009 10:14 am

I'll work on getting it home. Do you know where I can get a 6v battery though to possibly get it started if the battery is really the only thing wrong?

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Post by Tigerhaze » Fri May 15, 2009 10:31 am

Most farm/home stores and some automotive stores that also have tractor parts should have 6V batteries.
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Post by Cylias » Fri May 15, 2009 11:22 am

Well, im sure the john deere dealership has them so i'll go there and see what they have. The area I live in isnt really too agricultural so there arent many tractor stores.

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Post by Lu47Dan » Fri May 15, 2009 10:18 pm

Kevin , if you have a Tractor Supply Company (TSC) in your area they handle 6 Volt batteries . A locally owned auto parts store is another source for them .
As for going to J.D. for the battery , I would exhaust all possible avenues for one before going there .
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Post by Cylias » Fri May 15, 2009 11:41 pm

I live in BC, Canada, I dont recognize that name (TSC). Do you know of any international companies such as canadian tire, or walmart type of thing? Lordco?


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Post by CELSESSER » Sat May 16, 2009 7:50 am

Kevin,

The reason they are suggesting that you try to find a battery from some place other than Deere is cost. It seems everything including common items such as a battery are much more expensive there. It will be the only place to get some parts and then you will have to "pay the freight". you might as well save on the things you can so when your only choice is to go to Deere then you may have the money to do it. When you need something check with Lavoy, he can probably find you anything you need. The best thing you can have for one of these old crawlers. is a parts manual and a service manual. They will allow you to understand your machine and be able to describe your questions and problems more clearly.
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Post by Lavoy » Sat May 16, 2009 6:37 pm

Last quote I had on a new Hydreco pump was couple years ago, around $1500 if I remember correctly. Yes they can be rebuilt depending on what is wrong. Bearings are about $40/each, seal was about $170 if I remember correctly, not sure what the input shaft would run, I had a couple NOS ones that I used up on the last rebuilds.
Don't know the part number of the Deere 6 volt, but your dealer should be able to look it up. The Deere battery may or may not be any more money than any other battery, but after 20 years of trying different brands of batteries, including all the big names, I use only Deere. I average 2 years on most 6 volt batteries, been getting 5 or more from the Deere batteries. Any yes, I know Deere does not make their own batteries, but whatever the difference is in the way they have their's manufactured for them they work.
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